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Every Sunday night Carolyne Prevost, Jamie Latimer and Scott Switzer break down the world of CrossFit and other fitness competitions. Tonight we talk about the WFP Workouts, Why did the prize money change? the Impossible Mile!

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What is Clydesdale Media Podcast?

We cover the sport of CrossFit from all angles. We talk with athletes, coaches and celebrities that compete and surround in the sport of CrossFit at all levels. We also bring you Breaking News, Human Interest Stories and report on the Methodology of CrossFit. We also use the methodology to make ourselves the fittest we can be.

It's Sunday night,

you know what time it is,

Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.

Yeah, yeah.

Welcome to the show, it's time to ignite.

Scott's silky smooth voice keeps the vibes

just right.

Carol Ann on the mic,

wants a star on the ice.

Games athlete so strong,

keeps the balance precise.

And Jamie's in the house,

the engine full of grit.

Never backing down, down Thursday night.

So buckle up, friends,

it's Burpees Forever.

Welcome to Sunday, Sunday,

Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.

Welcome to Sunday, Sunday,

Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.

Welcome to Sunday.

what is going on everybody welcome to

sunday sunday sunday night crossfit talk

we are two we're about to be three

uh carolyn is just finishing up dinner

being polite doing that off camera

She'll be here soon.

It's another week.

I'm sitting here thinking, like,

is there going to be a week, like,

that we can just take off because

nothing's happening?

No.

And then it's like CrossFit.

It's as bad as the NFL.

Like, it is every week.

Yeah.

Well, the CAC's busy, so that's good.

Yeah.

um patrick clark just finished season two

we were literally just talking about

season two of lioness before we went on

the air sure and i watched the first

episode of season three this week which

was phenomenal i haven't seen any is what

we're talking about so yeah jamie has not

seen it at all

um so yeah crazy stuff it's it's but

it is it is one of those shows

that make you think and so like i

like pairing that with like the hawk which

is no think yeah we finished that did

you finish it i haven't finished it yet

but i'm maybe six episodes in okay

wherever it's when he well i don't want

to ruin anything

Yeah.

Easy watch.

Yeah.

And we started Ted Lasso this week.

That's back.

And then we finished Ride or Die.

If you have not seen that on Prime...

It is so good.

It's Hannah Waddingham from Ted Lasso and

Octavia Spencer and their best friends.

And in the first fifteen minutes,

you learn that Hannah Waddingham is a

trained assassin and she's been hiding it

from her best friend for twenty years.

Yes, I saw the previews for this.

And so it starts off as a very

funny concept, right?

Yeah.

But it turns into a great,

well-written spy.

Okay.

Series by the end.

So highly recommend ride or die.

We like,

I was on the edge of my seat.

Okay.

We binged four episodes last night and

today to finish it off.

So good.

Katie L says Jamie doesn't need to watch

lioness.

She is a lioness.

Well, dang.

Drew says bears going down against the

pack.

Well,

my wife and I were figuring out our

plans.

We have tickets to the first bears Packers

game in Lambeau field because of a great

listener, Eric Mackey.

And we're trying to figure out whether to

fly or drive.

And we're trying to price it all out

and figuring out what is the most

economical and what is like the easiest.

There's no direct flight from Columbus to

Milwaukee.

Really?

Can you believe that?

Not really.

So then we tried Chicago and then rent

a car because it's only like an hour

north.

Yeah.

And we're meeting Eric in Milwaukee and

we're riding up with him to Green Bay.

Okay.

Yeah.

And there's only a couple direct flights

from Columbus to Chicago now,

which baffles me.

It used to be a direct flight all

the time.

Yeah.

Because it's only a six-hour drive,

so it should be just a quick...

I don't want to go to Detroit before

I go to Chicago.

No, I wouldn't either.

Yeah, that's...

I feel like I had three stops on

the way to California.

It was a pain.

If it was three stops,

I'd just cancel my trip.

I guess I could have done that.

I did one stop to California.

That was enough.

But you fly out of a smaller airport,

right?

Grand Rapids?

I usually fly out of Grand Rapids.

I got really lucky flying out of Lansing

and actually did get a

I think a one-stop when I went to,

um, Del Mar, I think,

I think it went Lansing to Detroit and

straight over to,

and it's usually really hard to get

flights out of Lansing.

Yeah.

I was Minnesota to the shirt.

Tessa wants to see the shirt.

I'm so proud of the shirts.

They came out so nice.

Jamie says it's a good fit.

Yeah, perfect fit.

Nice and soft.

If you want yours or thirty dollars,

you just Venmo me.

Vicky had to take the night off because

her husband's leaving town for a while.

So just go to my Instagram.

There's a Venmo thing there.

Thirty two dollars.

Just put your size, name,

address in the comment section and I'll

ship ship them out.

And I just got a couple orders today,

so I'll probably do another shipment

tomorrow or Tuesday.

A definite master show talking about

airports next up.

Which highway did you take?

Yeah.

Masters.

Speaking of masters,

I had my twenty five year high school

reunion yesterday.

OK.

Yeah.

Wow.

That makes me feel old.

Not very many people came at all.

yeah i graduated with like two hundred

fifty people there was like twelve or

thirteen of us there crazy um kdl i

wore my cloud snow shirt to work lunch

to a work lunch the other dude's reaction

no lie was wowed the lap you are

more jacked than i thought i gave the

shirt all the credit hey if you want

to look jack too

You can order a shirt as well.

Larry Young's already wanting another

color.

Oh.

You know how long it took me to

get these in?

And I still have like a bunch of

them.

And thank goodness I did inventory of the

whole thing.

And the ones that are being ordered the

most are the sizes I ordered the most

of.

Perfect.

So we're doing well.

CrossFit keeps making fun of us.

I know.

So I did want to say,

before we get into the CrossFit stuff,

I watched Supergirl on Friday night.

Yeah.

I really enjoyed it.

Really.

I think because the bar was set so

low by the critics and what everybody was

saying about it,

I went with zero expectation.

And I just really enjoyed it as a

fun movie.

it's not going to win any Academy awards

and that's fine.

It just was fun.

Okay.

If you want to see super girl kick

people's ass for an hour and a half,

it's a good movie.

And Jason Momoa as Lobo was fantastic.

I feel like the critics are always wrong.

Uh, I wouldn't say always wrong, but I,

not everything has to be an Academy award

winning movie.

Correct.

Right.

And some of the stuff they like as

Academy award winning.

I'm like, that was weird.

No, thanks.

Yeah.

Jason Momoa basically paid,

played Jason Momoa,

but that's who Lobo is.

So it was like, perfect.

It's like Kevin Costner has ever played

anybody, but Kevin Costner.

Yeah.

Whether it's Bull Durham for Love of the

Game, Dancing with Wolves,

it's the same damn character in every

movie.

CrossFit says it's fine.

Masters of the Universe was better,

but similar ride.

I have that in my queue.

I don't think I've seen that either.

It just came out.

I think it only lasted in theaters a

couple weeks.

Okay.

The issue is that everybody is comparing

the DCU to the MCU.

And for those of you who don't speak

geek,

that is DC Comics versus Marvel Comics.

The Marvel Comics were much better off the

bat with making movies other than the Dark

Knight series with Batman and then the

DCU.

So he is correct.

But this was fun.

I really, really enjoyed it.

Matt Damon also plays himself.

Maybe.

We watched the Ben Affleck,

not Matt Damon,

but we watched The Accountant two weeks

ago.

I like both Accountant movies a lot.

Yeah, they're great.

I'm a huge Ben Affleck fan.

I know that's not cool to be a

Ben Affleck fan,

but Argo was one of the best movies

I've ever seen.

Good Will Hunting is an all-time classic

movie.

Lex wants to know if we've seen The

Odyssey.

I have not.

I do not believe that I have.

It, again, just came out,

so I'm assuming no.

Then no.

That's a Matt Damon, and it's a long,

long movie.

Okay.

Like,

you have to go on an Odyssey to

watch the Odyssey.

Okay.

Is it like The Martian?

It is longer than The Martian.

Okay.

Yeah.

i think it's the same guy who did

oppenheimer and actually who did the dark

knight movies for dc um christopher nolan

yep but but lately he just seems to

be like into these super long epic movies

like oppenheimer was what four hours long

and i think this is like in that

range i haven't seen it yet but i

don't mind a long movie but four hours

Probably pushing it.

Yeah.

The other Ben Affleck movie, The Town.

I love The Town.

Lex's Odyssey is three hours long.

That's fine.

Question of the week for Scott.

Whoa.

Wow.

Would you rather watch the Toxic Avenger

anthology or do a hundred burpees for

time?

I'd probably rather do a hundred burpees

for time.

so uh matt damon is always trying to

get home saving private ryan the martian

the bourne movies i love the bourne movies

yeah me too oceans eleven's one of my

favorite movies of all time too with matt

damon but he's not even really the main

character uh

Uh, oh, interstellar too.

Yep.

Um,

the other thing I wanted to say is,

uh, I am teaming up with the Glintons.

Well, the one Glinton and Jeremy Williams,

and we are doing a sports show every

Tuesday night at six PM.

It is not CrossFit.

We are not talking CrossFit.

There's already bets over under how long

it'll take us to talk about CrossFit,

but it is going to be an other

sports show.

Okay.

With Garrett?

With Garrett and Jeremy Williams.

Okay.

And maybe Corey.

All right.

So we'll see.

There we go.

And another shirt.

And looking good.

Looking good.

I think that shirt moves you up Hiller's

list all the way to an A.

I don't know about that.

But I'll take it.

I like it though.

This is a very good color.

I love this blue.

Although mine looks a different blue than

yours.

You think?

I think it's just lighting.

They're all the same color in the box.

Trust me.

Um, so cool.

Uh,

the other thing I wanted to talk about

real quick before we get into the

Christmas stuff is, uh,

my dumb cohost did the impossible mile

this week.

Why?

We've been wanting to do it for like,

I don't know,

like a year at least we've been talking

about it at the gym.

And then I saw they like,

we're doing it at the games and Veronica

and I were going to go,

go try to do it.

And then I was like, nah, we'll just,

cause there's people at the gym who wanted

to do it too.

So I was like,

we'll just program in it,

program it when we get back.

Oh, and it was,

it was poor Jim's seventieth birthday on

Thursday.

And I programmed it for that day so

that people would come and spend the day

with him.

Oh my gosh.

It was rough.

How long did that take?

It took me forty nine minutes,

but it took a lot of people like

seventy five minutes.

jim peeper for people who don't know is

uh one of the members of jamie's gym

and he is a former crossfit games podium

winner in the masters division um and it

was the seventieth birthday which is

really cool now he's seventy plus i know

now he can be in the new category

yeah yeah um but i actually texted jamie

and she said it would did you not

say it was a mistake

I, well, yeah, when we finished it,

I was like, I was like, never again.

Like, that's not,

that's not something I'll ever do again.

And in midway through it, I was like,

we need to change this for the night

class.

Cause like nobody should be doing this.

It was, it needed to be partner.

It needed to be,

which a lot of people,

I had already put it in leveled out

level method.

So a lot of people were already scaling

it.

Like a lot of people did it.

Two hundred meters of the movement.

And then jogged in two hundred meters and

then the two hundred of the next movement.

So they did like half the work.

What I tried to get my husband to

do because he came at six.

I was like,

you should do because I the only thing

that really bothered me was the burpee

broad jump.

And it starts with that.

So you're just you're there for like

twenty five minutes doing burpee broad

jumps.

It just takes forever.

And then you're annoyed with the whole

thing.

So, yeah.

I had told him, I was like,

you should just do a hundred meters of

burpee, brow jump,

a hundred meters of lunging,

a hundred meters of bear crawl, jog,

and do four laps of that.

So it was like broken up,

but he did.

He was like, no,

you guys all did it the right way.

He's just as stubborn as me.

We went to a track.

So even in the evening classes,

they went to the track.

Yep.

The gym was shut that day.

I was like, show up at the track.

Cool.

Yep.

the video i saw was of aaron yes

and he looked miserable and that was the

burpee broad jump so that's at the

beginning already looking miserable i

think i snapped i think i had snapped

you scott like the lunges and the bear

crawl so like a little bit of each

lap yep all of aaron though and all

of all of him looking miserable how far

how far into the burpee broad jump where

you're like i shouldn't have programmed

this for the class

Probably just short of two hundred meters.

I was like, this is a terrible idea.

It just and like the last time we

did like a high rock last summer,

we had done some high rocks style workout.

And I don't know what it is,

but I I can't do burpee broad jumps

and not be crazy.

like the front my tibialis is like wrecked

like i still today am like in pain

walking around the rest of me feels fine

now um or what three days out yesterday

i was still pretty sore like all over

even my shoulders um but the front of

my shins kill i don't know what it

is i don't know i it's probably just

the way i land when i broad jump

i don't even i do not like broad

jumps at all well you would be lifting

your

lifting your feet up probably reaching and

it's just that motion that you're not used

to.

Like if you're doing like a box jump,

you're just a quick but just the amount

of times that you're gonna have to

dorsiflex there.

Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna get you.

Yeah,

my son did it with us at noon

and he he went out hot like he

was like fifty meters ahead of me on

the burpee broad jump.

He like he can burpee broad jump like

two to two to one to me.

Like his jump is just far.

And I just was I was doing him

quick but short.

And I finally like he sort of like

started to die towards the end of the

burpee broad jump.

I caught him and I just I like

lunges.

So that didn't bother me.

Everyone else is like dying on the lunges.

You know what it sounds like Jamie needs?

Some Playa with Brevo.

I do.

But I always comment on Carol and stuff.

I'm like, I can't even do...

I couldn't even do half of the stuff.

I went filming today,

so I'm all done writing my program.

Now it's about going to film every single

drill.

And

It's going to take me so long to

film every single drill that I have.

You need to send me some of it

and I need to film scaled versions for

you.

No, I am.

Like I did like a hurdle jump,

like a lateral low hurdle jump.

But then I also had cones to the

side just to show that you can also

just use cones if you don't feel like.

But you make it look too easy.

You need the scaled.

I'm working on it though.

You need Jamie to do the Teemu version

of the...

But it's the first week it starts.

It's foundation.

I'm not going to do all of my

crazy things on that.

But there's a good progression.

Jamie, does your gym do Sentinel?

No,

we do not do Sentinel as a gym.

We probably about...

Two, three months ago,

we switched over from Training Think Tank.

I've done a Training Think Tank affiliate

programming for like four years.

The day they came out with it,

we've done that.

And about two or three months ago,

we switched over to HillerFit as a gym.

So that's what we do as a gym.

How do you like that?

I like it.

The gym does not seem to love it.

Like some do.

It's just,

there's like a lot of like some high

rep stuff that they're like,

they feel beat up.

I really need to like emphasize people

like scaling down.

There's just a lot of people who,

cause I level it out.

And if I put the RX plus version

in at all,

I have people thinking they need to do

RX plus and nobody needs to be doing

RX plus.

Um,

it's more in there for me and then

like level down.

But there's too many people who like still

try to do what they would consider their

color.

And I'm like,

you guys all need to just back down

till we get comfortable with this.

everything that i've seen from him when he

would post his his programming like i

think it's very smart and like yeah well

done i don't know what he's done for

like affiliate programming but i i follow

his like affiliate page yeah yeah okay so

that is yeah i like his stuff and

it's it's got some creative things and

it's probably good tessa i i do follow

sentinel yes yes i yes i follow sentinel

it's just

a little, it would be a little much.

I mean, honestly,

I don't know when I compare it to

Hiller fit, maybe it wouldn't,

wouldn't be, but I,

if I scaled all of it,

I follow the compete in Sentinel,

which is just, it's far too long.

I suppose I could swap over to the

classic track and it would maybe fit in

an hour,

but then I'm still doing something

different.

If I'm doing like the whole thing is

like, I'm trying to get,

I'm trying to not double up all the

time on everything I do.

So I'm trying to find something that I

can do class wide weekly and add in

a piece, you know, from Sentinel.

So when I do the Sentinel workouts,

they fit.

If I do the classic,

I don't do the compete.

It easily fits in an hour.

And they rate up like four different

scales for the workout.

It is super easy to use.

I can't say enough good things about how

easy.

I've done a couple other ones.

That's been the easiest one for me to

follow because it gives so many scaling

options.

And they're very clear and precise in how

they describe everything.

I think I just saw that they have

like a

low equipment that they added as well.

I think recently,

I don't know if that matches up to

the classic or if it's something

different.

But I saw that's probably something

different.

Because even the classic has some

equipment that I don't have.

And I have to like sub in things.

A classic from anyone is a tough sell

to members if they've done ABC stuff.

I agree, it's effective stuff,

but members get squirrels.

they sure do man i'm never like i

just try to not even listen to the

feedback anymore because everyone's gonna

have a complaint um and it's just i

don't know it's nice to switch it up

different equipment different movements

like we did for a while there we

did like three weeks of toes to ring

and some people really were excited about

getting a different movement i mean some

like they can't do total bar but they

can do total ring so that was fun

for some people oh

My biggest thing is if you're not

competing,

there should be some elements of fun to

it.

Totally agree.

You're not there to go to the games.

You're there to get fit and it should

be fun.

It should be a thing that you go

do with your friends and you just get

fitter.

And when my gym switched to Comptrain,

I lost all the fun.

That was my biggest complaint with

Comtrain is it was all about competing and

getting to the games and doing all this

dumbbell work.

And it lost the fun aspect of things.

And so that's what I loved about Polaris.

Christy was so good about, yeah,

she trains for the games,

but the class work is fun.

Interval work can be fun even though it's

interval work.

um but yeah i look that's my favorite

programming of all time is christie's and

i miss her dearly um agree there everyone

did com train when it first got big

we all got fit and super bored yeah

Uh,

you didn't like bike buy-ins and three

minutes of overhead squats on repeats.

Not so much.

Um,

so I wanted to talk about the CrossFit

athlete council made recommendations to

CrossFit.

Um,

I put it in our notes what those

recommendations were.

I have them, uh,

their Instagram posts to pull up, uh,

in full detail.

If I can find it again.

I have so many things queued up.

Here we go.

so um the first recommendation and i just

want to get your feedback on this is

and i know the feedback on this because

we have talked about it endlessly over the

last two seasons number one is the opening

quarterfinal should be one continuous

leaderboard making the top five hundred

men and women individuals eligible to

complete compete at semifinals yeah we've

been asking for it right

Yeah, I think that's good.

Like I have,

I've been saying that forever.

Like the open style workouts are a

different style of workouts.

And then you have the quarterfinals,

which is a different style workout.

And I don't think that the open should

get a race.

It makes the open matter.

I like it.

I've always liked that.

Yeah.

I really like that.

It's the one week too.

Like they could have made the leaderboard

continue on,

even if it was like last year's format,

a month and a half later or whatever.

I really liked that.

They moved the open up like two weeks.

So I feel like we're going to basically

end when the Open ended last year,

and we're going to be done with

quarterfinals,

which was our complaint last year, right?

Well,

it gives two more weeks for the semifinals

to use this leaderboard as opposed to

invites and their own qualifiers.

Right, right.

But the thing that I think is frustrating

for me is the number of people who

want the open scrapped,

who think that it's useless.

It's still a valid test for certain

things.

And when you add in the other four

or five workouts and it becomes a part

of the whole,

it even makes a more complete test.

And it lets you open up the quarterfinals

to be even higher skill.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

Because you see a lot of people who

are really,

really good at high skill gymnastics and

very, very heavyweights.

But if you ask them to go light

and fast, they're not that good.

And they have a hole.

and when we just count the quarterfinal or

even the semifinal let's say but well for

this purpose the quarterfinal they can

hide their hole very very well and then

just focus on the high skill heavy weights

and like that's not what fitness is it's

not just that you have to also be

able to do the rest so i think

it's it makes sense it's going to give

people you know seven maybe eight scores

that they're we all took the same test

now from there who gets to go to

semi-finals

I think that's way better.

Agreed.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of comments like,

oh,

you're going to have to change the way

the ompens run.

You need to add a lift in the

ompen.

And I mean,

we go through this every year and people

complain about the programming.

The base of the pyramid is metabolic

conditioning.

I feel like people are not aerobically fit

enough.

They just want the heavy lift.

Does this mean videos are on our system?

I know.

I mean, that's another subject completely.

They address that later on.

As far as video review,

one idea would be to opt in to

compete versus, I don't know, participate.

Yeah,

when signing in for the CrossFit Open,

this would still be the same leaderboard,

but only those who are competing would be

eligible for quarterfinals and beyond and

would also require a video link during the

score submission window for both Open and

quarterfinals.

Only videos with high public scrutiny

would be reviewed,

or HQ could request a video from one

workout at the end of quarterfinals for

semifinal qualifiers as a spot check of

sorts,

like past CrossFit Open requirements.

Regardless,

having that as an option over no one

gets their video reviews and it's always

been an honor system.

That's already a step up if we were

to at least have, you know,

the compete versus participate and then

the compete have their videos,

let's say public.

Right.

Like that's already a step that we,

we already don't have.

So I'm good at that.

And I think just by having to put

your video public, it still makes people,

or at least it should make people think

about their movement standards.

Yeah.

It sucks.

I know it sucks.

I mean,

I have to do it every year.

I get that it may deter some people,

but if you truly are competitive and

you're going to click compete,

it means you want to move on and

you have to submit a video for

quarterfinals.

So like, what's the,

what's the issue with videoing three more

workouts?

Most people do anyway,

if you're a competitor.

Exactly.

Right.

You see people's video on Instagram and,

Just, you know, I don't know.

And then I've had people say to me,

well, why not just do a five-week open?

One,

doing multiple workouts in one weekend is

a harder test than doing one workout a

week.

So it's a different style of test.

The other thing is when you get to

the higher level skills,

the equipment becomes more scarce in

affiliates.

GHDs aren't as plentiful.

Ropes aren't as plentiful.

Rings aren't as plentiful.

So...

You need to help out the affiliates by

funneling down the number of people doing

those higher skills.

Because the equipment just is more scarce

at that point.

Not everybody's like CrossFit Polaris that

had a rope in every lane and an

echo bike and a rower in every lane

and all of that stuff, right?

That's very rare.

I like the idea.

I hope they do have to video.

Does your open rank relative the open

field or quarterfinal field count towards

your quarterfinal rank?

In this case, Max,

it is the combination of all workouts from

both is your overall rank.

Right.

Yeah.

Like all seven scores count together as

your test.

It's not like you're open.

Let's say you finished the fifteenth and

all of a sudden you carry that over,

which they've done before.

Yeah.

That's how they used to do the Masters.

That's dumb.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it would count like as their first score

of the next stage.

But no,

this each of them would count equally

altogether.

I'm not sure if when you go to

the quarterfinals, if it's only the seven,

like if you're,

if they have like another type of

leaderboard,

where it's only the people that have taken

all those tests that are kind of ranked,

or if during the open when you were

ranked,

whatever if it's just added on i don't

know if that makes sense or not but

yeah no i agree because yeah if if

you finished two hundredth in a workout

and thirty of those people didn't sign up

you you really would be one seventy on

the in the quarterfinal leaderboard it i i

have a feeling crossfit is not going to

do that work no i i think that's

too much work i think you'll just

Yeah, everything combined.

And these are just recommendations.

We don't know that CrossFit's doing any of

this.

Well, that's true.

Yeah, they haven't approved it.

Yeah, my point is,

I have a feeling CrossFit will say, no,

we can't do that.

And this won't happen.

Because they're just going to be like,

yeah, we're... I mean,

there's probably someone here freaking in

our chat who could do this in a

day.

Well, Patrick doesn't...

Patrick makes a good point.

The one big bugaboo with this, I think,

is reducing the field from two thousand to

five hundred who make it to semifinals,

because that is a lot of money that

CrossFit is giving up.

Because a lot of people signed up to

do the online semifinal that had to pay

that fee.

And now you're reducing that overall fee.

pieced down by fifteen hundred people not

that every one of them signed up but

it's just reducing the pool a great deal

from people who act who did sign up

to see what they could do

That is going to be.

It says to compete live at a semifinals.

You can still probably have a bigger pool

of people that can be for an online

semifinal.

Like I think that if you're in the

top five hundred,

you can get asked for a semifinal,

let's say.

But past that,

maybe it's the online because I just see

live here.

So that's one thing.

I think the bigger issue with that is

the,

because you can look at this past year's

semifinal registrations and the year

before,

and it's a pretty stark difference because

of the number of spots given to that

online semifinal.

And later they talk about they want to

have it be one or two,

and I think that's going to be their

fatal flaw if they want to make money

online.

You have to have more than one or

two spots if you want people to pay

to compete online.

Yeah,

because people will just look at the

workouts and then be like, no,

not for one spot.

Yeah.

And that's the crux of everything.

We are giving up making it a better

and more seamless transition to make the

quick buck.

Yeah.

Instead of trying to make a more

longer-lasting season that makes sense.

um and looking at the future dollars as

opposed to the current dollars but if

semifinals run a two day competition.

Now all of a sudden,

if you want to do two days prior

teams or masters,

that can also add into the pool of

semifinal athletes in person and adding to

the revenue of these semifinal host

competitions.

I think it would add more people there

so that people can still sit there

semifinal athletes.

Because right now like the teams don't

have many options.

Seth Jumpship,

who is a big part of writing these

recommendations, is in the chat.

The theory is that you would get more

from increased quarterfinal participation

fees than you would lose from an online

semifinal.

Right.

I mean,

it makes sense to me whether or not

they can convince HQ.

We have loved this idea for two years.

Carolyn brought this up two years ago to

us,

and we have been banging this drum a

long time.

It's getting CrossFit to see that, okay,

you may lose a couple dollars today,

but you're going to make way more in

the future is a really hard sell.

With the past administration,

we don't know what's going to happen with

the new guy.

Barry makes a great point.

Twenty years, eventually,

they'll get it right.

Will they?

They could make it worse in another

twenty.

Yeah, Patrick's got it right here.

Yeah, read that one.

The last time they did last chance

qualifier in twenty twenty five,

they had one spot available for men and

women.

Only seven men and fifteen women did all

the five workouts and less than one

hundred signed up total.

Yeah.

So you're like the people's argument.

I was one of the fifteen.

Right.

I mean, it wasn't very many people.

And you say like five hundred is not

enough to advance semis.

Honestly,

like if those five hundred feel like they

have a shot and there's five spots online,

you're going to get way more signups than

one spot.

i also feel like for the quarterfinals

there's a lot of members that would enjoy

i know it's more expensive to do the

quarterfinals but that they'll get a

better idea of their fitness when they

have all those scores counted and then

they get to see okay i was really

bad at the high skill but i'm really

good here and like i'm this place with

seven events versus just three and then

starting over and then getting you know

kicked out or just not kicked out but

really beat up in the quarterfinals

because you were not ready.

I just think it gives members also a

better picture so that their levels are

more appropriate for the Community Cup.

Yeah.

Which was not really talked about that

much.

It kind of just came by fast.

I don't think I heard one thing about

the Community Cup at the games.

And that could have been a great

opportunity to talk about it.

It was on a reel of videos that

showed up on the screen,

but I didn't hear anybody say anything

about it.

Number two,

forty men and women should qualify to the

CrossFit Games.

Yeah,

I don't know if I agree with this

one.

i'm not completely opposed to it but like

i said we've the thirty seems to be

a sweet spot i think i think i

said this last week unless you can figure

out a twelve lane system and have thirty

six that's probably three heats is

probably i think the sweet spot yeah like

thirty six with twelve so that'd be great

yeah i would love that i'm just of

the opinion and we're all i think

for all of us that whoever goes to

the games,

you take the full test and each test

matters.

Correct.

That's my bigger issue with saying let's

get forty there.

I don't want someone to go there and

not and not complete the weekend.

I'm also the opinion that like all the

tests should be like equally ranked,

like a five hundred meter sprint should be

as important as a six mile trail run.

a bag throw if you view it as

important to put in the test.

Hundred points like.

Maximally the big pro of this year was

the high tempo of events for heat starts

to drone on.

Here's what I'll say.

I have always been a proponent of the

forty people at the games until I saw

it play out this year.

And they did do an excellent job of

moving things quickly through,

which I think is a necessity.

The other problem is we've never seen

forty with the forty best athletes.

Correct.

So you're comparing apples to oranges.

This year we had probably the closest we

have ever had to the thirty best athletes

at the games.

It's still not perfect,

but it was close to.

And I always loved the forty athletes,

but we didn't have the right forty there.

I agree with that.

So it's hard to like compare.

Well,

I think that's what makes the cuts idea

even...

Because I feel like if we go this

route and we get the right forty athletes,

I really don't want someone cut.

In the past,

I could maybe have justified that there

were eight to ten people who probably

didn't even really deserve to be there.

And so if they get cut,

they get cut.

It is what it is.

But I think if you have the right

forty people, you don't want any cuts.

So like...

I mean,

I just think you figure out how many

people you can run.

The cuts are the semifinals.

The cuts are the quarterfinals.

The open.

Those are the cuts.

And then you get to the games.

This is the test.

So if you look at the decathlon,

you're not getting cut.

These are the events.

who at the end of this specific test

is the fittest.

Same thing for us.

Like it just makes no sense to me

that like you would cut someone after

seven or eight events when there's

thirteen to fifteen events and all of

their strengths could have been there and

they could have really affected the

leaderboard and all that.

Like I just don't think it gives

a good representation of what everyone's

fitness is when you you cut people short,

then the order of the events matter.

The scoring system changes after the cut

some events if they change the scoring

system.

So now the events are worth more.

So why are those events worth more than

these ones?

Just I don't know.

I just think for our methodology and the

definition of fitness, who's ever there,

whether it's twenty, thirty, forty,

take the test.

And then let's see who's ranked where.

And we've never gotten a...

an event after the cuts that was promised

that now that we're cuts,

we can do this where we couldn't in

the before that's never happened.

It's been a promise that's never been

fulfilled.

And I agree with everything that Carolyn

just said,

like that the points change after the

cuts,

the order of events really is crucial when

you're having cuts.

And depending on what kind of an athlete

you are,

one year you might get cut the other

year you might not get cut.

Like it's just, yeah.

Like a lot of times it's like the

single modality things at the start.

And then here comes all the CrossFit,

which you could be excelling at so much

when it's mixed.

Yeah.

Like, and people will say, Oh,

the cuts are exciting.

It's exciting to see who gets cut.

Who's going to not, but like, it's just,

it's not comparable to playoffs or other

sports.

Like this is a test of fitness.

And these are the events that the director

chose to put forward and,

And I feel like all should take part.

The drama that happens from the cuts is

a bullshit argument.

Because if that's your argument,

you would not have five attempts to

qualify for the games.

If you want the drama in the season,

it's going to be another recommendation

that's coming up on this list.

If you truly cared about the drama,

there are points in the season you can

have a lot of drama.

Um, Seth was, I need to find it.

Um, the cuts are a concession to HQ,

not a recommendation of the CAC, uh,

forty athlete spot strengthens live semis.

More will fight to participate because of

the increased opportunities.

I really struggle with this one.

Cause I know one of their recommendations

is to increase semifinals fields.

And I think that is.

I just – I don't see the benefit

in that.

In all honesty,

the best way for HQ to make money

is to do all online.

And pushing those spots out to in-person

semis that – and I know they're going

to, you know,

push that off to somebody else and not

have any cost incurred with it.

I just –

They're also not going to get the revenue

from it,

so I don't see why that's a benefit.

I know we want we as a sport

would like in-person events,

but I don't see how this improves things

for HQ, money-wise, personally.

No, because one,

I think one of the recommendation was for

half of the quarterfinal money to go

towards these events to help them for

registration, or maybe not registration,

but to offset some of their costs.

I just don't see how CrossFit's going to

say, oh, yes, let's do that.

Because like you said, and I fully agree,

the online version of CrossFit makes HQ so

much money.

Yeah.

The quarterfinal edition was brilliant for

HQ.

It was the smartest move that they

probably could have made to add another

fifty bucks for that and then you added

the online semifinal.

That's just easy for them to take all

that money.

Semifinal athletes should have one

opportunity to qualify for the CrossFit

Games at a live event.

Agree?

Two billion thousand zillion percent.

I do agree with this.

For the director of the semifinals,

Sanity, yes.

And also, like, yeah,

if you pick one that was stacked,

it does suck, but then you would have,

let's say,

the last chance online to do that,

or if you were sick or whatnot,

because then it becomes who has the most

sponsors,

who has no job and can go and

travel everywhere around the world or has

the funding or support to be able to

do this versus you get one shot,

pick your region, and then if you don't,

online.

Then the online would be really,

really interesting.

We have lost all the drama in the

season.

And I think that's because CrossFit has

given up any role in the season until

the games.

And so they,

all they focus on is the drama of

the games and they don't give a shit

about the drama, the rest of the season,

which is a horrible way to look at

it and is never going to grow the

sport.

think that's why i'm like hesitant to say

let's get let's bring on more semi-finals

i don't want more third-party

organizations doing their own you're

jumping ahead okay um so we agree on

that one crossfit hq should seek out new

semi-final event organizers even at the

affiliate level now go jamie

I, it just, I don't, I don't like,

it's literally the exact same thing as

what's going on for the masters.

Like giving that responsibility to

somebody else just cheapens the whole feel

of the whole thing.

Like I know some of these event organizers

can do an incredible job.

But if you're going to then have twelve

random semifinals that run however they

want to run with maybe one guideline,

I think it's crazy.

I'd rather see four big semifinals that

have seven spots, eight spots each.

I thought Syndicate that year,

when there was whatever,

nine spots available,

was incredibly exciting.

I know it's not the three podium spots

that you're looking at,

you're looking down here,

but that's exciting to me.

Like there was a bunch of good athletes

there.

People will travel to see that.

People aren't going to travel to twelve

different semifinals when there's two good

athletes at them for one or two spots.

Like you need to bring.

Thirty of like the best athletes to fight

over nine spots and it's a mini games

and people will.

That's where you're going to maybe get

people going to view in live in person.

So here's the thing.

I see both sides of this in a

way.

I don't think we need more semifinal,

but we need more people that are willing

to run semifinals and learn how to.

We are burning out the semifinal people

that we have that are good at it,

and we're going to lose them because of

it.

The other thing is CrossFit is giving them

no support, no way to sustain themselves,

and they're losing money.

And they've given them a shitty part of

the season where there is no drama.

People can go to eighteen different

semifinals if they want.

People aren't traveling to them to watch

because there's so many of them and

they'll get another opportunity down the

road to see their favorite CrossFit

athlete.

So who wants to sign up for that

junk?

I think rather than add more,

we're probably going to lose some.

rightfully so i've said that if i was

an event organizer i would say no f

you run it yourself do it the way

it should be done like and that's i

think truly what needs to happen is people

need to just back out and make hq

take it over i think it's a lost

cause that hq is probably never going to

take it back over if that's what happens

they'll probably go a hundred percent

online um but yeah i'd rather see three

incredibly strong semi-finals events

And if you don't make it,

you have the online portion.

And if not, this is when, you know,

trying to make WFP,

going to Waterpalooza and all these other

events are also rogue, are also options.

And honestly,

it makes more money than the CrossFit

Games season because all of those

athletes...

that don't make it half the time they

don't make anything at the games anyways

so if you don't make it that year

it just there's other opportunities in the

season to continue to compete it's just

you know people put all their eggs

obviously across the game season because

that is the biggest one like for sure

but they would have a second chance online

so it's still two chances there and i

do think that that still works

So Patrick says only in North America,

French, Jordan, Torian, Far East, Copa,

Sur and rebel are doing fine.

That's because they only have one event

per country.

Well, I mean,

he has a point there for one.

I feel like, I mean, let's be real.

Norcale is doing fine.

And maybe Norcale shouldn't be a

semifinal.

They should just continue to run their,

well like well-run comp that brings in a

ton of community and that should be their

thing and they should continue to make

money on their event and then syndicate

stays the like premier one here because

it's kind of central and that's i i

think the i mean that was the problem

is we tore syndicate and nor kill in

half being on the same weekend like you

can't do that kind of thing

I don't want more.

I want less and I want everyone to

go there.

And then you have Del Mar and mayhem

added.

So now you have four semifinals in one

country with people going to all like

signing up for all of them,

except for when they're on the same

weekend.

It's just bananas.

I mean, mayhem is small.

You're only going to draw so much crowd.

So I'm not opposed to them remaining one.

What sucks is it's so close to syndicate.

location wise, right?

Like it's kind of already that same crowd.

Um,

but ma'am is so small that not everyone

can go there.

So I guess syndicate could pull a bigger

crowd.

I don't know.

All right.

Next one.

Quarterfinals revenue should be,

have a percentage based and transparent

split between CrossFit HQ and semifinal

event hosts.

Yes.

I, I get it.

Cause I think,

I think they need to do a better

job with handing money over for like age

group too,

but I just don't see them agreeing to

this.

Well,

what's funny is the rule book says that

the money earned from the open goes to

like the prize purse and the quarterfinal.

We have no idea where that goes to

the, to the games budget.

I'm sure it's not in the rule book.

You're just making a big assumption.

Yeah.

Well,

who knows if it even goes towards the

games budget?

Maybe that's just their pocket.

And that's the money that like Karen said,

that's their,

that's how they made their books look back

in black.

It could be, I don't know.

It's a private company.

We're never going to know where that goes

unless it's spelled out somewhere and it's

not spelled out.

Could be the Easter bonus for the

employees.

Who knows?

But I do like the idea of me

being more transparent with the

quarterfinal money and showing where it

goes.

If they showed that it went to the

game's budget,

at least we'd know it's going to that.

But there are people that do

quarterfinals,

and I don't know how big of a

percentage this is, to support the season.

People think that they're paying that

money in support of the season,

and we don't even know if the money

goes to the season.

Well,

we also think people pay for the Open

to support the season.

We're getting to that, too.

Individual semis should uniformly be a

two-day competition with five to six

scored events.

At least six.

I'm totally on board for the two-day.

Totally.

I'm on board for the two-day.

I do agree.

I think six is better because every

semifinal always does a max lift and a

run.

I don't know.

I just think six is a more well-rounded

test.

Yeah.

The athletes can handle three events a

day.

A hundred percent.

As long as, yeah.

And then the other two days you could

put the teams or masters there if you

needed more or community divisions to add

to your weekend.

All right, and then finally,

CrossFit should lean into age group

athletes and team live semifinals as a way

to improve competition and generate more

participation.

Yes, if you want to add the teams,

that's one thing,

but I think the age group kind of

made their stand there this year on how

that worked out.

Well, there was no lean.

I mean,

they'd have to start leaning to lean more

into.

When you don't even acknowledge that they

happened...

during the games that were just down the

street and it happened just days before

there were no updates from the the teen

group during the weekend while it was

going on there now granted things move

pretty quickly and there wasn't a lot of

break between events but they had that

video board running different things on it

you're telling me you can't run footage of

carolyn winning the thirty five to thirty

nine noah winning thirty five to thirty

nine rudy berger winning forty to forty

four yeah yeah but they're not even

talking about them highlighting like the

games masters they're not even talking

about they're literally talking about

adding them to semifinals and i don't i

don't think that that went well for the

for the age groups

Well, again, there's still no lean.

Even when they were in the same place

doing things at the same time,

they didn't lean into that.

All right.

So I think that's all seven of the

CAC recommendations.

So I'll stop sharing.

I appreciate the work that the CAC is

doing, though,

to bring these points up and...

get some better, you know,

get a better structure for the season.

So definitely appreciate the work that

they're doing and their ideas.

Even if not everyone agrees with every

single one of them, I think just having,

you know,

different representation on there and at

least getting a dialogue going with HQ and

the sport, I think is important.

So we'll see where that goes.

I wanted to,

I'm going to skip ahead a little bit.

WFP workouts were what,

two weekish away from WFP tour stop two?

while patrick's in the comments i'm going

to put him on the spot since jamie

and i have applied for media credentials

uh we have not heard back in writing

in and have not been able to make

hotel reservations in indianapolis yet uh

so just nudge nudge push push we have

applied maybe i'll message brian again i

had messaged brian because i was trying to

look in to see if they had age

group here but they don't they only have

the finals unfortunately

Yeah, and just in addition to this,

Monster Games did announce that the

winners of their competition get to go to

Copenhagen and compete,

and they put out a thing on Instagram,

I believe it was today,

which was a pretty cool little thing.

Oh, we're approved.

So we're approved,

and so we need to clip this,

print it out so we can bring it

with us.

All right.

I need to get with Jamie then.

And we need to figure out hotels.

YouTube official.

I'm going to put up, okay.

Clip that clip clip that there we go.

All right.

So the workouts came out this week.

Um,

and Carolyn is going to be doing them.

So I'd love to get the feedback on

what we think of the workouts, uh,

for tour stop number two in grand park,

uh, Indiana.

The Combine.

Forty-yard dash, pro agility,

five-ten-five shuttle, max broad jump.

Loves it.

Big hearts, big hearts, big hearts.

Yeah, I mean,

I've been waiting for thirteen years for

something like this to show up.

I mean,

I would have liked to have been younger,

but I'm excited for them to do this.

I haven't actually been sprinting because

I hurt my hamstring running a couple weeks

or a week and a half ago.

So,

but I'm hoping to be back in all

Tuesday to start re-implementing some

sprinting again.

Went a little bit too hard

And I'm a little too old.

Know your age.

It wasn't too bad.

It was just,

it was a little bit of a pull,

but it was just enough that I was

like, okay, you're not,

you're not twenty-five anymore.

Can't do what you used to do.

So, it was a little wake-up call.

I'm hoping this isn't a place it's easy

to watch.

I want to see the five-ten shuttle so

bad.

That's the one I think I like the

most of the three, I believe.

Yeah.

There was supposed to be a vertical jump,

but I don't know if they took that

away.

So like at the Monster Games,

they did a vertical jump,

but it was like a time in the

air.

I think sometimes people kind of pike and

because it's not just like a hitting,

it was just like a vertical jump.

And I think they probably just scratched

that.

I'm assuming because of the difficulty of

judging that movement.

But yeah, excited to see this combine.

I wanted to put this up because this

is a topic for later.

Seth has taken off,

but he'll say for future discussion that

the master's payouts will be a topic of

discussion at Thursday's CAC meeting.

We've been told we will get clarity on

that.

Good.

I saw Halpin's post that asked if they

could audit the numbers if the CAC gets

asked for an audit.

I mean,

it's not just affecting the masters,

it's affecting the individuals.

They're going off the same numbers for the

individual.

So people like, it's not, yeah,

it's all of it.

Yeah.

Awesome.

I'm glad to hear that.

Uh,

Indianapolis is the home of the combine

for the NFL.

So it is kind of cool that they're

doing the combine in Indianapolis.

That is cool.

I'm looking forward.

I think you have some athletes that are

probably going to do really,

really well here that we just don't know

that they have this type of background.

We've never tested this in CrossFit.

Never.

No one's had the balls to do it.

I'm excited to see it.

Who's the fastest?

Who's agile?

Who can jump far?

I love it.

I don't know how they're going to score

it.

Because we have fifty athletes taking the

test.

Like,

are they worth thirty three something

point three points each?

I don't know.

Fifty points.

Yeah.

At Monster Games,

I think Corey told me they were there

was four events and they were twenty five

each.

OK.

Um, so,

and then Patrick did say that they,

that monster was a test run.

So we'll see.

Um,

there was something I wanted to share and

now I lost it.

Oh, well, um, yeah.

Excited for that one too.

Uh, Phil says,

I think he might do well in this

one.

I think you're right.

again they're in a field of fifty there

can be someone that has a hundred meter

track and field background that we have no

idea about or like a pure sprinter like

we have no idea like we just haven't

tested this this type of stuff and i

don't know what um birchfield means and he

says i don't know about that carolyn

um pro vent to uh twelve parallel

handstand push-ups twenty four ghd sit-ups

twelve box jump over six flip sled four

rounds for time i love the flip sled

yeah it's it's really just a mini pig

i've never really used i think i've only

used it once and it was at wadapalooza

many many years ago

Um,

I normally like the pig at the games.

I like this one.

There's some, um,

like the flip side is almost like a

clean and jerk,

which will get the shoulders tired for

probably hands and pushups.

Like,

I think this is a nice athletic event

and I like it.

I really like this event.

Yeah, it's cool.

Uh, then we have a ten K run.

So we go forty yard dash to ten

K run.

I mean, if I like number one,

I probably don't like number three for

But I think both are important in a

test of fitness.

You know,

someone like Kringle will do well at both.

And that's why she's the fittest.

But I think it's an important test that

like, like,

You have to do both.

And we always only do the distance.

So that's why I'm finally happy that we

get to see the other side of it.

Because there are people that we always

assume that they're horrible runners,

but they're just not great distance

runners,

but they could be excellent sprinters.

So yeah, I think that's fine.

And then Scott's favorite workout,

the one rep max bench press.

I'm going to get embarrassed here.

Is Alex doing a WRP?

no no okay she really wanted to do

it because of the bench press i think

she was very very curious but i think

on the girls um podcast she said that

she had a trip or something and then

didn't want to think about having to train

for wfp so i think she doesn't like

it or is not doing it me personally

you know number three and four is no

yeah i'd like to be great

I mean, I think, again,

but I think it's going to be cool

to see who can bench.

I mean,

that's kind of part of like the combine

all the time is bench.

Yeah.

The test in the combine is taking two

twenty five as many reps as you can.

Right.

And like for women,

maybe that's one forty five or one fifty.

I don't know.

Somewhere in there.

I don't think you would do one fifty

five,

which would normally be the standard.

I think you would probably do.

Yeah,

I think guys can just bench better than

females in general.

Minus like a few.

Um, but yeah, I mean, you know,

this is setting up to be a back

squat probably in the finals of WFP

because last year they had some, um,

Olympic lifting for their three stages of

their max lift.

Now you're seeing, um, power lifts,

you know, you had the deadlift, the bench,

and then the back squat is what I'm

assuming will be in the finals.

But, uh,

um so then we move on to uh

number five two rounds for time fifty

chest to bar twenty five sandbag squats

hundred fifty sled push ouch legs heavy uh

sandbag squats i'm assuming we can

probably hold the big sandbag here but

yeah that's gonna be painful i mean i

kind of hope you have to have it

up there like i hope it's not the

bear hug because people will just like hit

it off their thighs

Yeah, I don't think so.

And I don't think it's going to,

maybe just one shoulder.

Is it two hundred one fifty?

Yeah, it's pretty heavy.

I don't know that I've done a one

fifty squat.

But that's a tough one.

Those legs are going to be sore.

Workout.

I like this one.

It'll be fun to watch.

Yeah.

um number six uh four time thirty twenty

two calorie echo bike hundred and fifty

yard swim rest two minutes hundred and

fifty yard swim thirty twenty two cal echo

bike carolyn's gonna be wearing her wings

i mean

participating in this one?

This is early.

This is I think the first one has

a I think the first one has a

five minute time cap.

And then everyone originally,

I think that's how they had posted it.

So you have a five minute time cap

rest two minutes and then you start the

other way.

But well,

that would equal to the overall cap.

So that makes sense.

And then finally,

we'll go to the four-time, thirty-five,

twenty-five calorie row,

twenty-five bar muscle-ups,

hundred-fifty handstand walk,

five squat snatch.

What's the weight?

It is two-forty-five, one-seventy.

Jesus!

Yeah, that's hard.

I haven't tried that,

but nine-minute time cap,

that's going to be heavy for me on

the barbell.

That is insane.

For me, it's like a weight that

You know,

I haven't touched a barbell in this

workout.

You know, you have a ten,

fifteen minute corral.

You have the bar muscle ups.

You have the handstands.

You're very fatigued in the shoulders,

your high heart rate.

And then for me,

this is a weight that like I have

to definitely respect.

And it's a heavy weight for me.

So I don't know how I'm going to

feel when I get there.

I haven't tested this workout.

I'll probably give it a go at some

point this week or next week.

And then the people that are very,

very strong,

I think the front half will be irrelevant

because if they're able to do the

one-seventy and just go boom, boom, boom,

or even, I mean, if you're Gi,

you can maybe go touch and go.

I think that's the big separator is the

five-squat snatches,

and the rest is all movements that anyone

in this field would have no problem doing.

So I think you could have just done

almost a snatch there.

This is exactly how I felt about the

second workout at the Masters Games.

Like,

I don't like this workout for you guys.

dumb.

It's just not a test of fitness.

I think it's fine,

but I do think it's very skewed to

the barbell at the end.

Can I just say overall, I really,

really like these events.

I like that you have sled pushes.

I like that you have a combine.

I like that you have flip sleds.

There's all the odd object stuff that we

didn't have at the Masters CrossFit Games.

Yeah.

I think they did a great job with

the programming.

And they're not making them squat with a

med ball.

Yeah.

There's events that I'm not going to like

or I'm not going to do very well,

but I still think it's a good test.

Yeah.

I love that it's sled pushes.

I love that it's flip sleds and just

grunt work at times.

That's the gritty CrossFit that has to be

a part of something.

And if it's not there,

it just doesn't feel special.

I mean,

I know when a local comp has a

flip sled,

we get all excited because it's something

you don't get to touch every day.

so uh those are those are um those

are the workouts uh justin kotler agrees

with prevo uh good competition for tutor i

don't know how good he is running gonna

be good yeah i don't feel like i

don't even know how he'll be at the

combine to be honest like i don't know

I've not seen his athleticism on display

to know.

I think Carolyn's right.

I think we don't know.

The combine is a we don't know,

unless you're Guy or Amy Kringle.

You know certain people that will do well,

but you don't know who's going to win

because in a field of fifty,

there's some outliers on this kind of

stuff.

I know I'm going to do well at

the combine,

but I don't know where I am.

There could be freaks there.

Um, like, you know,

Kringle is going to do well at all

of it, but for the most part,

I think people are going to enjoy a

couple of the workouts and then get

exposed on other parts of the workouts.

And I think that's exciting.

Like that,

that that's a good test of fitness.

If you're kind of worried with some and

excited for others.

Um, yeah.

How are some of the girls doing that

were at the games?

Is Lydia coming?

Is Hannah Black?

How's her back?

They're signed up right now,

so I think Lydia,

Hannah Black is doing it.

Annika's not doing it.

Fi, who's a pro, not doing it.

I think those are the two female pros

that aren't doing it.

And then, yeah, I mean, you have

Who else from the games Burgos is there

as well.

Okay.

She's not a pro,

but she was an athlete that was at

the games.

But certainly will be in the picture to

get a pro card this year.

Yeah, even bench press.

It's more than raw strength.

If you don't keep the barbell path, right,

you're not going to make the lift.

Like it is consistency with raw strength.

And that's going to be a question mark

too.

Like, yeah, this person's strong,

but are they strong in a consistent manner

with a bench press?

Yep.

Chivalry.

Yep.

I have the rosters if people want to

see it, but it's fifties,

a lot of names to read.

I don't know how many sub-fives on the

I'm not sure,

but I also don't know how they're going

to calculate it if you get to start

one yard behind the speed gates or not.

Depending on where the gates start,

it can affect how many people I think

can get sub-five.

Listen,

sub-five is not that difficult for a male

that's in shape.

In high school,

I ran sub five and I'm not that

fast.

These guys are in way better shape than

I was.

Like,

I wouldn't be surprised if geese like four

or five, four, six.

It depends if they go a yard before

he would be faster.

I mean,

I was like four nine in high school,

but I did go sub five.

And we had kids on my football team

going four sixes, four sevens.

So if they can do it as...

The Apex were going on this past weekend,

I think in Chicago.

And you have a lot of the forty

times there.

For females,

there's a few that were sub five.

for the men.

I think there was one guy that was

like four to something.

But again,

I think they were starting a yard behind.

Yeah,

I think Patrick says NFL combined

standards,

and I think that is like a track

start.

And then it becomes...

what do they allow for the starting

position?

Does it have to be a two point

start?

Can you do like,

I don't know if they have certain rules,

I guess we'll see what the standards are

for how they want us to start.

Three point or two point.

So, okay.

last thing i wanted to talk about tonight

and seth already addressed this in the

comments earlier um well there's okay the

masters payouts were announced they came

in lower than what people expected

They were based on two hundred forty two

thousand participants in the open.

When CrossFit itself announced that there

were two hundred fifty four thousand plus

participants,

meaning that twelve thousand participants

and their money disappeared.

And when,

and I talked about this on Friday a

little bit, but when spin posted this,

the comments were about how much money the

masters were getting or not getting,

or was it fair?

Was it not fair?

The big story here is not that the

big story is that there is money missing.

Yeah.

Yeah,

the comments kind of drifted sideways

there in the Masters.

And that wasn't what the spin was bringing

up.

It was literally that it's based off a

lower registration than what we're

anticipating,

which means not only our money would be

lower, but the individual's money,

the team's or whatever.

It's just calculating differently.

Well,

and it also happened with the individual

athletes in the elite division.

They were based on two forty two as

well.

So their paychecks were lower than they

anticipated them to be.

I've actually seen record where if you

count all the people that registered for

the open up until the open was over,

it's even greater than the two fifty four.

But that number was never announced.

CrossFit announced a number when the open

started.

Twenty five point one or twenty point one.

And I've seen that there were actually

more people that signed up after that.

And to sign up means you have to

pay the twenty dollars.

So there's at least twelve thousand

registrations missing,

possibly way more than that.

So I emailed CrossFit about it.

And I got an email back saying that

from one of the support people that they

were going to go back and look at

it and come back to me with an

answer.

I mean, if you're going to announce...

So they were going to look into it.

Yeah.

I think if you're going to announce that

two hundred fifty two thousand people

signed up for the open,

you should probably use that number.

Moving forward.

And that's probably on the low side of

the actual breakdown per division is

identical to what they did last year um

like of the ten percent eight point five

went to the winner three point five the

second then it was two percent to the

third and then each division is the same

breakdown it's just the total is off i

think from what signed up in the open

but i think like from from my position

i think it's a difference of maybe

fifteen hundred dollars or something like

that but someone like Sprite could be a

difference of almost fifteen thousand that

he would be lower and then when you

start adding all of the tax or the

state tax stuff like that will you know

it ends up mattering so you just want

it to be accurate that's all well just

an explanation not just blindly throw it

out there one it was supposed to be

announced prior to the game starting

It came out two weeks after and it's

not right.

It's not correct.

According to the announcement you made

about the open.

Right.

And yet people complain about the WFP and

the athletes making more money.

At least,

you know what you're making there.

I know there was a lot of complaints

in there about like.

Thirty five, thirty nine,

making more and then drop off stuff like.

But that's not the story.

No, I know.

But I feel like if you're like,

if you're trying to allocate money,

I feel like the smartest thing to do

is, well, you know,

if a thousand seventy plus people sign up,

that's their pool of

money and and how many thirty five to

thirty nine sign up and how many forty

to forty like honestly it should probably

like it's increasing yeah like every age

group is just yeah and individuals

eighteen to thirty four should not get

they need they need more participation if

they want more money uh tessa nobody's

complaining right now anymore

Because like there's a division of like

the forty to like, I don't know,

to fifty four.

Maybe you have the same as what you're

saying.

Basically, each age group,

it should slowly start to go down as

the number of participants in that age

group is also lower.

Yeah,

that's how I think it should be allocated.

But yes,

I think I think that makes sense.

The thing that I.

The other numbers I was finding when I

was looking for the open numbers is that

sixty one percent of the open

registrations were masters athletes.

Yes, that's my point.

Sixty one percent.

So when you're nickel and diming the

people that are paying all the money,

that's a really, really freaking bad look.

And then the team's registration,

they don't get a dime.

You know what?

I remember the team,

they don't get a dime,

and then they also don't get drug tested.

They don't get drug tested,

so they maybe shouldn't get paid.

But I think it's only, what, ATP?

what they do, twenty and twenty of each,

so eighty people, eighty athletes,

you're better off asking the sponsor,

I mean,

I wouldn't like it as a master, but,

like,

you're better off giving them the full

kit.

That was the big pull for teams.

You know, three grand, four grand of gear.

Like, all that, like, getting the bag,

the shoes, like,

it's twenty of them in each age bracket,

like,

supply them and you don't you don't have

to pay them but like it was always

about the kit for so many people i

know that was the whole reason i was

going like i was never like that's what's

frustrating about this whole thing and

then to yes nickel and dime us and

not like well not only shortchange you

guys on the kit now but then then

claim exclusivity when other sponsors want

to give you stuff that's the the part

of the masters

Because you're connected to the CrossFit

Games.

Well,

the price to register keeps going up,

but the things that we're getting keep

going down.

And before, like,

let's say we paid two fifty or four

hundred, whatever, to go to the games.

You took home so much more than what

you paid for.

So it was kind of cool.

Now you're not.

you know,

you're not getting even close to that.

And then the amount of events that we're

actually doing are decreasing as well.

So like, it's, yeah, but like,

I remember when I first made the games,

it was all about the kit,

and they've had cuts.

And it was like, make the cut.

So you can get an extra shirt, like,

you know,

I just wanted to get the kit,

want to get a sign of my name

on it like that, you know,

and for the teenagers, like,

that would be super, like,

cool for them to have like a full

kit.

Wonder how long this CFO search will last.

Well,

apparently it's way more needed than we

thought.

Sounds like my grocery bill.

That is correct.

Your grocery bill keeps going up and the

amount of food you get to bring home

is less and less.

And Jay Birch, your math is off.

It's only twenty dollars to register for

the open.

What did he say it was?

Thirty.

I paid seven dollars for two onions today.

I went to a farmer's market and paid

way less than that, dude.

Anyway, so all that's happened.

The queue has been announced that it is

happening August, August, August, August,

August, August, August, August, August,

August, August, August, August,

August

Did you say it's August twenty-first

through the twenty-third?

Yep.

So it's during WFP?

No, WFP's the next weekend.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

You still going?

Yeah.

Okay.

I don't know why I was thinking, yeah,

that's the twenty-eighth.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's on my calendar.

But that's a, that's a tough,

because the rogue qualifier is the hardest

qualifier there is with the hardest

standards.

Yeah.

You got to weigh everything in.

It's forty minutes of videoing before you

can even start the workout.

I mean, that's how WFP is lesson learned.

And then a week later,

you've got to compete at WFP.

That that's a tough back to back.

um so anyway it's happening it always gets

some big names um i guess that rogue

has sent out invitations to people they're

not allowed to say if they got it

or not um angelo let it leak today

that page got hers okay uh so we

know one i guess i'm betting you can

assume that james and amy got theirs

But we don't know because just because you

get it doesn't mean you accept it.

The real question is how many spots for

the online qualifier?

Right.

That's the question because that hasn't

been consistent year to year and it's

changed.

So that's what I'm curious about.

How many spots are going to allow for

the online?

After Scotland, where's the next location?

Columbus, Ohio.

One can hope.

i think so because they're building right

now um more like didn't they take over

like even more land there so i bet

you when that's done they're coming back

to columbus that's where the games needs

to go they um yeah so the the

warehouse facility the whole bit was a

city block and i think now it is

too

It is so massive.

Even when they first built on that

location, they had Rogue,

the Invitational,

in the front yard of that building.

That front yard is gone.

Where they held Rogue the first year is

now gone.

But they had five buildings in Columbus,

and they're consolidating it all to the

one location.

And they have built enough building to do

that.

It is so big.

It's going to touch the convention center.

Really?

I'm just kidding.

It just feels that way.

Because they're both on Fifth Avenue,

the convention center, and Rogue.

And Rogue is just moving closer and closer

to touch butt up with the convention

center.

So the parking lot got changed to

building,

and then the parking lot got moved to

where they held the Rogue Invitational.

So it was like building over the parking

lot,

then parking lot got moved out closer to

the street.

I used to work on Fifth Avenue.

I was only ten minutes from Rogue

headquarters.

It was an easy lunch hour stop by.

Now I work from home and it's like

a half an hour.

But I love that first Rogue.

That might have been my favorite in-person

competition of all time.

Was that the one that they had the

tug-of-war with the teams?

They did.

And the shooting.

And the rifle shoot.

Yeah, with the skiers.

But it was the stuff indoors where they,

in the factory,

they built stands and a rig and the

whole bit.

It was so cool.

And then,

seventeen point two open announcement was

held there too.

And I was there for that.

And they built inside the factory again,

which was so cool.

Wouldn't that be a cool show?

Lunch with the Clydesdale at Rogue HQ.

Right now,

I just have to be out in the

parking lot with my iPad.

Dear Bill and Katie, please let me in.

Andrew, stop arguing with me.

The one side of it's on High Street.

The north side of it is on Fifth

Avenue.

It's an L.

Larry and Shelly are at every major

competition.

They were there too.

Love that one.

I think that's where we first saw Colton

Mertens compete.

The first time I saw Colton was at

Mayhem.

At twenty one.

Yeah.

When I saw Lex complete.

Yeah, she was there that year.

She did well.

But anyway, all right.

With that, guys,

we're going to call it a night.

Hope you guys have a great...

monday morning start to the week i will

be here for lunch with the clydesdale

tomorrow don't forget to order your shirts

sorry i don't have the venmo thing um

all of that with that have a great

day and hope to see you soon bye

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